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140   Who is Supreme?

          devatäù. Karmaëä... There is a verse. Just to have immediate result
          of material profit, the Vedas recommend, “All right, you worship
          this demigod, that demigod.” So our concern is we don’t want any
          material profit; we want Kåñëa. Therefore we do not require to
          worship demigods.
          Indian guest (5): But why not Viñëu?

          Prabhupäda:  Viñëu  and  Kåñëa  the  same.  Viñëu  and  Kåñëa the
          same. Kåñëa is viñëu-tattva.
          Indian guest (5): Räma and...
          Prabhupäda: Räma also. We worship Räma also. Räma,  viñëu-
          tattva.

          Indian guest (5): Because they are the incarnation of the Viñëu.
          The person himself is the reincarnation of the Viñëu.

          Prabhupäda: So whatever is... That is your conclusion. But Kåñëa
          said  mattaù parataraà nänyat kiïcid asti dhanaïjaya  [Bg. 7.7].
          Ahaà sarvasya prabhavo mattaù sarvaà pravartate [Bg. 10.8]. So
          if we have to believe Bhagavad-gétä, then Kåñëa is the Supreme.
          That’s all.
          (Bhagavad-gétä 7.1 – Auckland, April 15, 1972)

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          So  either  käma  or  lobha  or  bhaya  or  enviousness,  some  way  or
          other connect with Kåñëa. Just like the gopés. The gopés, they liked
          Kåñëa. They did not know that Kåñëa is the Supreme Lord. They
          did not know. They liked Kåñëa. He was a very funny boy, young
          boy, very beautiful, and these girls were attracted. They went to
          Kätyäyané: “Mother Kätyäyané, please give Kåñëa as our husband.”
          Their only prayer was that. They did not go to Kätyäyané for
          begging: dhanaà dehi, rüpaà dehi, yaço dehi—no. “Give me Kåñëa.
          Give me Kåñëa.” So there is no harm to worship the deity, I mean
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